Filter, Holiday 2008
Something borrowed, something new
A conversation with
The beginning is a fine place to start... How did you two meet?
Elvis Costello: It was mainly the doing of Tennessee Thomas [drummer for The Like]. The Imposters and I were down in Mississippi recording The Delivery Man, and Pete Thomas said his daughter had hipped him to [Rilo Kiley's 2004 album] More Adventurous. He played me the record and I thought it was fantastic. [To Lewis] I think I got your number and called you.
Out of the blue?
Jenny Lewis: Oh, yeah. My phone rang and I didn't recognize the number. I picked it up and it was Elvis. I truly thought it must have been some sort mean prank.
Costello: I was in this cottage I was renting right by the woods where Faulkner used to walk. It was quite a good spot and I had a lot of time to listen to records. I became a fan, and when Jenny made her first solo record... it was a different world. The storytelling on that album is amazing.
So you instantly thought, "This young talent needs to be in my new music video."
Costello: [Laughs] We filmed the "Monkey to Man" video in L.A., at the old Ambassador Hotel, and I sought it'd be funny if Jenny walked across the set like he'd gotten lost while on a Universal Studios tour.
Lewis: The awkward walk-by. Clutching my purse. Sweat on my brow
Costello: We'd decided the video would be populated by girls in bikinis and people in monkey suits. It was very tasteful; we were going for the feminist vote.
...And then one day in January, Jenny called you?
Costello: And then it was fun for the whole family. I was at home in Vancouver and The Imposters' bassist Davey Faragher — he lives in Southern California and was in the studio with Jenny — called and asked if I could sing a song on her new record.
Lewis: And I emailed you a clip of myself, Johnathan Rice and a puppet doing "Carpetbaggers."
Costello: Obviously, I was being asked to do the puppet's part. I told 'em I loved the song, but thought I would sing it differently than the puppet.
So you flew out to record. At what point did you decide to stay and make a record?
Costello: I didn't stay actually. We cut "Carpetbaggers" in three takes, and the band didn't have anything planned for the rest of that day. So I said, "Maybe we can cut something of mine." I had two songs — "Go Away" and "Drum & Bone," which I'd written literally he night before — and we just laid them down, Jenny and I in that little vocal booth, I'm playing rhythm guitar with a line out to the hallway, she's reading the lyrics off a piece of paper. And I couldn't believe it — she nailed every line.
Lewis: I was thinking. "This is your big shot, kid, don't blow it."
Costello: I had decided I was done with recording. Everything I'd have to do after the release of a record was making me miserable, but working with them reminded me of the bits that I liked. A week later, back in Vancouver, I called everybody up and said, "That was too good — let's do it again." That's when the vocal group came together. Davey is the only person in The Imposters who can sing, and with The Attractions, I used to track myself for all the vocals. These guys were coming up with killer parts, and the will to do them, at 11 p.m. We made the record in six days, with the same live feeling as Jenny's.
Lewis: I was so impressed with your pace. Is that how you've recorded in the past?
Costello: I think bands make more of a meal of it now because they can. We're all guilty of it. I recorded Spike  in four cities [Dublin, London, New Orleans, Los Angeles]; I had a ridiculous budget. But it's gone around in one big circle — my first record [My Aim is True] was made in just 24 hours of studio time. The second album [This Year's Model] took 11 days. We thought we were being decadent taking three weeks for Armed Forces, and with Imperial Bedroom, we were making our big statement in the studio, hiring harpsichords and glockenspiels: "Let's take six entire weeks!" Now you hear of bands spending six months on a single.
Acid Tongue was done at an impressive clip as well, Jenny. What inspired you to make that record in only three weeks' time?
Lewis: I think everything I do is a reaction to the thing before it. Having come out from under the polished intention of Under the Blacklight — which took quite a bit longer — I just wanted the vibe to run the show. I was finally able to connect with a band and have it go down like a live performance. It was really liberating.
Costello: There's nowhere to hide in that room. When you listen to Acid Tongue, there's nothing there. It's just a voice and a couple of instruments, and it works perfectly. The more you went on with the record the more confidence you seemed to gain. To open with "Black Sand"... its the kind of confidence that marks great records. You know. "How could they open with that? That's ridiculous!". But soon you can't live without it.
You're both artists who have continued to surprise us over the years, approaching each album with different angles, different sounds and, often, different bands. Is creative restlessness part of what makes a great — or at least an enduring — artist?
Costello: I think too much is made of it — like it's some sort of puzzle where eventually the pieces will all fit and there'll be this big, smiling picture of Jenny going, "I told you so." The reality is: that was just the way the artist was feeling at that moment, and now you're in danger of missing what's actually being said and the genuine feelings that are in those songs. It's a trap that journalists fall into, which funnily enough never comes up with groups that have a strong, signature sound. It just doesn't occur to anybody to compare their records: "This one's got all those things that we already love!"
Lewis: All I know is that I just tend to get a little bored and I like to try new things. And, really, anything is good subject matter for a song. But I don't think that quality is exclusive to "the good artist."
Costello: Van Morrison has a signature sound, for instance, but he's a singular artist. I don't know that there's one better way to do it. When I was younger, I was guilty of being more confrontational for the sake of getting attention, saying things like, "We're here to completely ruin your life!" [Laughs] It's true there was some dull music out there and we were coming along with a bit of attitude — trying to get it right, where just playing was really the thing — but tearing others down wasn't the intention.
Neither of you have shied away from expressing the deeply personal on record, and you've dealt with an array of reactions to your public persona, from fan adoration to being dissected by the press. How does one stay level through all this?
Costello: It's true that since the mid '60s, people have based their songwriting more overtly on their life's experience than, say, Ira Gershwin did. In his day, they wrote songs that faded to black when the stickier subjects of love — physical love in particular — came up. But with people like Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, that started to change. That was passed on to the next generation, then the next generation, then to me, then to Jenny, and we're writing about these things that are increasingly raw.
Fair or not, people associate you with these songs, and to whatever extent that you're putting your experiences in there, your mistakes are in public view Your heart is broken, the band splits, you find a new way to go in life, you have a drug problem, you sober up. There's a fascination with human frailty and an entire industry that makes entertainment out of it. I got disenchanted when I was younger, but then I realized that's just show business, and show business is based on the Menudo principal: They kick you out of the band when you're 18 and get someone else to appeal to the 11-year-old girls who, in turn, hit 15 and peel off to go to the new thing. That's not real life.
Lewis: I've just started, over the last couple of years, to receive feedback in that way, as well as from people that assume songs are about them, and it's all very uncomfortable. I still don't know what to make of it, and I try not to acknowledge it. I'd rather just write songs without having to think about where they'll end up or who will be offended.
Costello: I've gone through my less glorious periods and other times where I've felt on top of the world, but it's important to remember: You're not living in real time by writing songs. Even if you think you're writing the honest diary of your love affair, you're not — you're writing an edited version of it. Otherwise the album would be 20-years long.
So, 2003's North, for instance...
Costello: North is a very specific album about recognizing the end of one way of living and the beginning of another, but it's a song-written explanation of what it felt like to go through that. It's not the same thing, and it certainly doesn't take into account the feelings of the other people involved. Art is selfish; it's not a democracy, not even in a band. But if you're smart, you take the best of what people bring you — to a collaborative form like recording, for instance. I was just the beneficiary of that, when Jenny said, "Why don't we get Tennessee in here to play with Pete?"
Lewis: The fantastic father-daughter drumming duo.
Costello: I never knew that was going to sound so good. Next thing I knew, we had a record. And you know, Tennessee joined us onstage at the El Rey in Los Angeles after we played the Hollywood Bowl with The Police. I've been turning around to see Pete playing behind me for 30 years, and I look back that night and see him and his daughter. I've known her since she was born but, more than being a matter of pride, it just sounded fantastic. [To Lewis] Thank you for that.
Which is your favorite song from each other's new album?
Lewis: "Go Away," because it was the first.
Costello: "Godspeed," because it's got beautiful melody and mood. I was startled the first time I heard it. I also love the long, multi-part songs like "The Next Messiah," and I think "Sing A Song For Them," the up-tempo one at the end of the album is tremendous. And of course, "Carpetbaggers" because we got to do that together. I also like other version of it that we cut—a live take with the double drummers ...
So basically, you like everything, including the outtakes.
Costello: "Godspeed" is definitely my favorite but I'm attracted to ballads, so you're asking the wrong guy. I mean, I really love ballads—more than any other kind of music.
Lewis: I actually wasn't going to include "Trying My Best to Love You" because I was worried about Acid Tongue being too ballad-heavy — I wanted it to rock more than Rabbit Fur Coat — but Elvis was so set on it being on the record that I included it.
Elvis, were you impressed with Jenny's use of double entendre for the album title?
Costello: [Laughs] Old habits die hard.
Filter, No. 33, Holiday 2008